Dominique travels across the country to meet the two people who might be able to help her understand how Chantelle came to be living a reclusive life in a hidden corner of Western Australia, alongside a self-styled spiritual guru 18 years her senior.
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Credits
Dominique Bayens: Alright, I'm just about to pull into Jim and Cath's. Um, it's, it's almost eight o'clock in the morning in Wodonga.
I woke up, I think, every hour on the hour last night. Just worried about sleeping in past my alarm and all of the questions going around in my mind.
Dominique Bayens VO: It wasn't just the alarm. Now I'm here on the other side of the country, I'm feeling the weight and pressure of a meeting that's been months in the making.
I've come from south west WA, 3-and-a-half-thousand odd kilometres to Wodonga in Victoria to meet Chantelle's parents in person for the first time.
Dominique Bayens: Good morning.
Neighbour: Morning.
Dominique Bayens: How's it going?
Dominique Bayens VO: Jim and Cath's house is a regular 90's suburban home on a tree-lined street, about ten minutes from the centre of Wodonga.
They greet me warmly and we head inside to set up.
Straight away I notice the many family photos lining the walls, smiling faces that are evidence of regular lives which have been thrown into a very irregular situation.
We walk into a cosy carpeted lounge room.
Dominique Bayens: Are they all your dolls?
Cath McDougall: Yes, I made them and dressed them.
Dominique Bayens VO: Jim with his silvery-white hair and cheeky grin, and Cath with her grey highlights and neat style could be anyone's parents of a certain age.
But, sitting down to interview them about their missing daughter and grand daughter, I'm feeling the heaviness of what I'm asking.
I'm Dominique Bayens and this is episode three, Down the Rabbit Hole.
After we've checked everyone's warm enough, comfy enough, I start trying to get a sense of who Jim and Cath's little girl Chantelle was before she became a news headline.
Jim describes Chantelle to me as his 'shining light'. And I can see that when he talks about her, he's got a proud smile and a twinkle in his eye.
Jim McDougall: And she'd tell her own jokes and laugh before she finished telling you the joke.
She was just hilarious you know.
Dominique Bayens VO: Jim and Cath call her 'Chandy'. She was the youngest of three children.
Cath McDougall: She'd come home with these sort of jokes and one was pass the honey, Honey. Pass the sugar, Sugar. And pass the tea bags, baaaag. She'd go, she'd stretch it right out.
Dominique Bayens VO: McDougall family life was full of adventure, and Chantelle was a water baby from the beginning.
As they're remembering Chantelle's earlier life, Jim and Cath are laughing. One of them will start telling a story and the other one will join in to finish it.
Cath McDougall: She always was doing little plays at home with her sister, from a very young age.
Dominique Bayens VO: The family would be ushered into the upstairs lounge room, where they would be seated ready for the big performance.
Cath McDougall: Yes, you'd get an invite and she would get up and introduce themselves and what the show was.
They would do a Christmas play and they'd make it up.
Dominique Bayens VO: Her love of performing didn't fade as Chantelle grew up.
Cath McDougall: Her interest as a teenager was all singing and dancing and acting and laughing and…
I kept telling her one day, I'm gonna go be there when you're on the red carpet. But, of course that hasn't happened.
Dominique Bayens VO: Talking to Jim and Cath, I see Chantelle as a vivacious, playful young woman who didn't cause her parents much grief.
But I also know that siblings sometimes get a very different view of each other, so when I'm back home in WA I arrange a video hook up with her sister, Colleen Cooke.
Colleen was four years older than Chantelle, and I get the impression they were very different kinds of people.
Colleen Cooke: Chantelle was a bit of a Miss Popular, so she had a lot of friends, and she was a little bit kind of Punky Brewster.
Just wanted to be fashionable and in with the crowd.
Dominique Bayens VO: To be honest, I didn't really know who Punky Brewster was, I had to look it up. Punky Brewster was the hero of an 80s American sitcom. Very trendy apparently in her denim jacket covered in badges and patches.
It's easy to read into this take of Chantelle, that her desire to be 'in with the crowd' left her vulnerable down the track, when the crowds she was getting involved in weren't just high-school cliques.
But then Colleen tells me other things that paint Chantelle totally differently.
Colleen Cooke: She used to come home quite a lot and telling us how she used to get kicked outta class.
It's like, 'Stop talking or you're gonna have to go out and sit in the hallway'.
She would choose to go outside instead of being in class because she's like, 'I'm not gonna stop talking, I'll go out'.
Dominique Bayens: So it sounds like she wasn't afraid to voice her opinions, she was a pretty outgoing girl?
Colleen Cooke: Oh yeah. She was very out there very, you know, flamboyant.
Dominique Bayens VO: This version of Chantelle that Colleen paints, it seems louder and more rebellious than the picture I had in my mind.
Reading through old newspaper articles where just about every headline screams 'cult', I imagined she must have been pretty impressionable. Not the strong willed, I'll go out of class rather than stop talking carefree girl.
I'm curious if Jim and Cath saw any hints of what was to come. If she ever showed an interest in spirituality or religion.
Cath McDougall: She never really, um, in any way thought about things like that. She was too busy having fun, I think.
Dominique Bayens VO: Everything I've been hearing seems, if anything, overwhelmingly normal teenager stuff.
Cath McDougall: She was always chatting. She couldn't help but talk.
Dominique Bayens VO: But that was all about to change.
Chantelle was just out of school, 17 and a half, when she told her folks she was off to the city.
Jim McDougall: Pack up and go to Melbourne.
Just simple as that.
Dominique Bayens VO: And the plan, as she'd dreamed for years, was to try and make her name on the stage. From those living room performances to a big stage under lights.
Cath McDougall: Chantelle never had any dreams of travelling the world or anything. She was just wanting to be an actress.
Dominique Bayens VO: So they went round the Melbourne Uni's. But then, Chantelle didn't get a place in the course she was hoping for.
Cath McDougall: Then she, some reason or other, it all changed.
She seemed to… forgot about it.
She never mentioned acting, sort of, again.
Jim McDougall: I think she would've been disappointed.
So she was looking for something else.
Dominique Bayens VO: As you might expect of an almost 18-year-old who's just left home for the first time, Jim and Cath weren't privy to the finer details of Chantelle's life in the city.
But they weren't overly worried. They'd already seen two children move out into the world, and Chantelle had family in Melbourne.
She went to live with her Grandad and every week or so she'd drop in to her Auntie Pauline's, in her fourties, working, raising a family and living the Melbourne life.
Chantelle would just hang out there sometimes.
Pauline Taylor: She had her hair in a bob, um, just under her ears.
And the thing about Chantelle was her smile, her face just lit up when she smiled and everybody felt that.
She was slim and, and energetic.
Dominique Bayens VO: Pauline Taylor was at a busy time of life, but she was also into meditating and she'd frequently head to the local ashram on Saturday nights to slow down and take a moment from the busyness of life.
Pauline Taylor: There were, you know, just the friendly people who just were looking for some peace.
Dominique Bayens VO: Pauline was saving for the great Australian dream — to buy her own home. In the meantime she was renting an older house with the washing machine outside, a tiny kitchen and a small backyard with just enough room for a little veggie patch.
She put up an ad on the ashram noticeboard for a housemate for the spare room for a little extra cash.
It's such a small, insignificant action. The sort of thing any of us would do without giving a moment's thought.
But she would do anything to go back in time and take it down.
Pauline Taylor: Yeah. Okay. This is where I have to take a deep breath here all this stuff 'cause yeah…
I'll just have another drink.
So, I put a notice up about having a spare room and Simon Cookman replied to the advertisement.
That was fine, he was clean cut young man. He was working as a, manager, trainee managership, at one of the big supermarkets.
He paid the bills and he was personable young guy and I thought, oh, he seems okay.
Dominique Bayens VO: Just to be clear, this isn't Simon Kadwill, the guy you've been hearing about so far. Different Simon.
Simon Cookerman moved in and everything was fine for a while.
They each lived their own life. He seemed quiet, a little reserved perhaps, but a nice young man.
Then, things started changing.
Pauline Taylor: And after a while he left his job.
He said, oh no, it wasn't really him. It wasn't really what he wanted to do with his life.
And then little bits and pieces came out. I discovered that he had been married already and was separated from his wife.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cookerman was still heading to the ashram where they had first connected, but it seemed like he was starting to get into something else that was very different to Pauline.
Pauline Taylor: He started bringing home these books.
He asked me what I thought of them and I said, 'Oh they're a bit outlandish aren't they?'.
You see, I'm a science trained person. Even though I'm interested in meditation and all those kind of aspects of being, I always analyse things.
Dominique Bayens VO: Pauline read some of the books Cookerman was offering her. And she was not impressed.
Pauline Taylor: They were outlandish and presenting various, um, ideas as if they were reality.
That's why I didn't like it, I didn't, um, think that anyone could claim to know all this stuff.
Nobody's got the answer as far as spiritual issues are concerned.
Dominique Bayens VO: The Book Pauline flicked through seemed to be talking about planes of existence a 'Truth'.
Pauline Taylor: And I didn't read any more of it, it was just garbage as far as I was concerned.
It was gobbledygook.
Somebody had sat there, you know, maybe they'd been tripping out one day on LSD and wrote this stuff and, you know, and that was what had come out of their brain, so I wasn't interested.
I said, 'What do you think about them?'.
And his response was, and I can remember it to this day, he said, 'It sounds right to me'.
And I thought, oh, it doesn't sound right to me.
Dominique Bayens VO: Pauline wasn't going to be reaching for the sign-up sheet for whatever it was Simon Cookerman was into any time soon.
Then, one day she came home from work and what she saw threw her.
Pauline Taylor: I came into the room and Simon had his arm around Chantelle's waist and they were looking at something on the desk.
And as soon as I walked into the room, they quickly separated themselves.
That was the first time actually that I really saw them together.
I had no idea that Simon had taken a liking to Chantelle or vice versa, I'd really had no idea. I got a shock.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cookerman was several years older than Chantelle, now unemployed, his reading matter was… eccentric.
She spoke to him about it and as far as Pauline knew that was the end of it.
But it wasn't the end of Simon's odd behaviour.
Pauline Taylor: Like one day he ate all the peanut butter in the, in the cupboard.
That was a bit odd. Odder even because it wasn't his peanut butter.
Dominique Bayens VO: Anyone who's lived in a share house knows the sacred rule — don't touch the stuff on your housemate's shelf.
Pauline Taylor: He was sheepish about it and it was, yeah, after that he, he was, um, just more introvert.
I think introspective, more introspective.
Dominique Bayens VO: These odd moments were just scattered through life. Pauline was as busy as ever, Chantelle still popping in and out to catch up with the family.
A couple of months later Pauline bought her house, and she and Cookerman went their separate ways.
The next thing she knew, Chantelle had picked up a job nannying.
Pauline Taylor: I knew that Simon Cookerman had introduced Chantelle to the person who she was babysitting for, a couple who had a child.
I'll regret it till the day I die, um, because then her life took a different track altogether. Yeah.
Dominique Bayens VO: Simon Cookerman had kept seeing Chantelle and through him she had met Simon Kadwill — I know, too many Simons.
Simon Kadwill — the one who would end up fathering her child, the one she would go missing with ten years later.
Pauline Taylor: In your mind you might know that you are, you are just one link in a chain of events that happened and you have to say that to yourself. It's like the butterfly effect.
And although you can think that intellectually in your mind, uh, emotionally it doesn't help.
It distresses me because I feel like although I was link in a chain of events, I was a pretty pivotal sort of link.
I just know that, um, putting that notice up in the ashram was a pivotal moment, obviously.
It would be nice to go back and not put that sign up. But, you know, can't do that.
It's the only way I can deal with it is to say to myself, I can't change the past. Um, I was one event in a series of events and that, um, Chandy made her own choices and, um, and she had to live by them.
As we all do.
Dominique Bayens: Do you need a drink of water or anything?
Pauline Taylor: Yeah. I might.
Geoff Kemp (camera operator): We're just gonna take a little break.
Dominique Bayens VO: What Pauline didn't know at the time, was that this new Simon, Simon Kadwill that Cookerman had connected Chantelle to, was the author of those strange books he'd been reading.
And Chantelle was about to fall down the rabbit hole.
By 1998, Chantelle had packed up her things and taken up that live-in nannying job for Simon Kadwill and his partner, a woman called Deborah Fleischer, looking after their baby son, Daniel.
This was around the time when Donna, Chantelle's school friend with the bubble gum pink hair, had that run-in with Chantelle on Bourke St that would haunt her in the years to come.
And Donna wasn't the only one to clock changes in Chantelle.
Jim McDougall: She came a bit more secretive.
Dominique Bayens VO: Chantelle had only been in Melbourne a few months when Jim and Cath started to notice this difference in their bubbly youngest child.
Cath McDougall: Just she was a lot quieter.
You ask her a few questions, you wouldn't get much of an answer at all.
Dominique Bayens VO: She mentioned in a vague way to Cath that she was exploring some spiritual ideas, but nothing concrete, or even remarkable.
Cath McDougall: She used to meditate. I can't imagine her meditating myself because she was such a chatter and a talker. I don't think she could keep her mouth quite closed.
I got the feeling that she thought it's because that's what they do.
Dominique Bayens VO: Here she was, her acting dream fallen by the wayside, nannying for this couple Jim and Cath had never laid eyes on.
Jim McDougall: And then she started telling us a little bit, a little bit about his beliefs and things and that really worried us.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cath and Jim decide they need to meet him.
So, they drive the three and a half hours to where Chantelle's living with them in Melbourne.
Jim McDougall: It was hard to find. It was like down a little tiny mountain track, and it was off the edge of the road, you couldn't even drive into the property. It was a real secluded, hidden away place, which was pretty hard to get to.
And so sort of what, what are they doing right up in here?
Dominique Bayens VO: Jim and Cath pull up, they're not sure what to expect when they meet Simon and Deborah but they did at least expect them to be there.
Jim McDougall: But they obviously got wind we were coming and they didn't wanna front us, you know?
Dominique Bayens VO: Instead, Chantelle comes outside to meet them on her own, with a sweet one-year-old boy, Daniel, bottle in hand.
Cath McDougall: He was just running around playing and that, while we were there.
Dominique Bayens VO: They're not invited inside, they stay out the front.
And they're not there long.
But it's been long enough to make their worries bite harder. In person, the change is even more pronounced.
Jim McDougall: It was a bit of a shock to me that the way she spoke and she was just a different, a different person really, you know, already. She wasn't the same bubbly person that we remembered so much.
Dominique Bayens VO: She seemed reserved.
Cath McDougall: What's going on?
I didn't know where to turn to find out anything. So I got the phonebook and I looked up and I found the counsellor and I rang him.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cath tells him what she knows and what she fears and about the gnawing worry.
Cath McDougall: And he said, you know, keep communicating.
And that's what I tried to do all the time.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cath started holding back. If she hit a wall when she asked a question, she backed off.
Cath McDougall: You could say I was afraid to question her too much or do anything because I didn't want her to not talk to me again.
Dominique Bayens: So even at that point, it felt like if you stepped over a line that she could retreat?
Jim McDougall: Close up. Yeah.
Cath McDougall: Absolutely. Yeah. I always felt that, all the time after she'd moved to Melbourne.
Dominique Bayens VO: Jim and Cath describe it as being in no man's land. Trying to work out what's going on, but totally in the dark.
All the while, Chantelle not quite 18 and living in the house of a man with strange beliefs, 18 years her senior.
Unsure what to do, Cath and Jim kept their worries to themselves and focused on keeping those lines of communication open.
As we've been talking, I've felt Jim and Cath getting tense. Cath occasionally has a nervous laugh and Jim gets this faraway look in his eye.
Hearing about all these people Chantelle was connecting with, the new things she was trying on for size, Donna's words come back to me. How everyone at that age has their own brand of trying to find yourself and she'd thought this was just Chantelle's.
It's easy with hindsight to read into all these red flags, the secrecy, the changes in her personality, but it's hard to tell where the line is between normal exploration and something more problematic.
God knows I did my fair share of stupid stuff when I was younger.
But then, in late 1998 Jim was at home when he got a call from Chantelle. She'd packed her bags and was off, like so many other young people, idealistic and looking for adventure.
Jim McDougall: Just on her own, never even had a phone, had nothing. Just her and a case and, and away she went.
She was gonna save the world.
But she was that bloody game as Ned Kelly, you know.
Dominique Bayens VO: Before she headed off she came home for a final McDougall Christmas. A big do where, as Jim puts it, everyone would 'eat too much, drink too much and play cricket'.
She bounced around for the next year. First to Central Australia, then Perth, then the UK.
It was a relief for Jim and Cath. They thought Chantelle had left behind that strange nannying situation.
What they didn't know was she was actually being drawn further in by Simon.
By late 1999, Chantelle was back in the country after returning from the UK. She was in Perth, on the other side of the country to her folks.
And a call came that made Jim realise that perhaps Chantelle hadn't made the clean break they'd hoped from Simon Kadwill.
She was nineteen and she wanted her dad's advice.
She was trying to get Simon back in the country. He'd been in the UK alongside Chantelle.
Jim and Cath had had no idea.
Jim McDougall: There was talk that Chantelle, she had to falsify documents to get him back into the country.
Dominique Bayens VO: Yeah I did a double take here too. Falsify documents? As in forgery?
Why would Simon need to lie? And why was Chantelle the one helping him? She was apparently just the nanny. Well, ex-nanny as far as Jim and Cath knew.
Jim wasn't sure what exactly Chantelle was being asked to do, but he knew something wasn't right if she was being asked to commit fraud to get this man back into Australia.
Jim McDougall: She said, 'I dunno if I should do this'.
And I said, 'Well, you shouldn't really do it'.
But anyway, she must have done it 'cause he got back into the country.
Dominique Bayens VO: I don't know whether Chantelle did forge paperwork to get Simon Kadwill back into Australia, but I can confirm that she did help with his visa.
And he did get back into the country.
Simon moved in with Chantelle, Deborah Fleischer and their now three-year-old son Daniel, along with a woman called Justine.
Jim McDougall: He had Chantelle in one bedroom and Deb in another bedroom, and Justine in another bedroom and poor old Tony Popic out in the tent in the backyard.
Dominique Bayens VO: I'm going to take a moment here, because there's a bit going on. It's the year 2000 and there are three women all in different bedrooms; Chantelle, the mum she's apparently still nannying for after all, and this new woman Justine Smith.
Justine Smith had connected with them through a spiritual group and over a few years became one of their inner circle, travelling and living with Simon just like Chantelle.
And a couple of years later Tony Popic, who sold Jodi MacDonald her bronze horse statue and who would eventually disappear along with Chantelle, Leela and Simon, would turn up, after Deborah Fleischer left.
He'd been living a nomadic lifestyle and being drawn into the same spiritual teachings as the others.
I can see why Jim and Cath were worried.
Then in early 2001 came another call. One that would make it a whole lot harder to get Chantelle away.
Cath McDougall: She rang up and said, 'Oh, I'm having a baby'. Just like that. And I was quite taken back for a minute.
Dominique Bayens VO: It takes a moment for Cath to integrate what she's just heard
Cath McDougall: But then I was excited.
Dominique Bayens VO: A grandchild. Chantelle was twenty.
Cath hangs up, and calls out to Jim.
Jim McDougall: Cath would've told me probably 10 seconds after she put the phone down.
I didn't know that the relationship, I was sort of, 'Who's the father?' sort of thing.
What the first thing your dad's… 'I'm gonna go and kill him', you know?
You know, I should have.
Dominique Bayens VO: It's a lot to take in. Chantelle's pregnant to a man they didn't even realise she was in a relationship with. Who's her employer and is eighteen years older with some strange beliefs, who they have still never met.
Whatever they think of this man it looks like he and Chantelle are about to become permanently linked.
It's October 2001, a warm, sunny spring day and Cath gets off a plane. It's her first time in Perth and she's not packed light.
Cath McDougall: I'd come over with my case full of all these things.
Clothes and things I'd made and, and I bought them all over in my case.
The case was that heavy. I could barely lift it.
Dominique Bayens VO: Six weeks ago Chantelle gave birth to a little baby girl, Leela. And Cath's there to meet her.
Cath McDougall: Chantelle came up and got me in her car. We went down to the house and then I got a cuddle and oh it was just lovely.
It was just, uh, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy thinking about it.
Dominique Bayens VO: Cath was smitten with Leela.
Leela was a little unsettled to sleep, but had that same thick head of hair Chantelle had had.
Dominique Bayens: And how did Chantelle seem at that time?
Cath McDougall: Quite excited about it, but I think like all new moms a bit daunted by it all.
And she was also looking after Daniel again at the same time.
Dominique Bayens VO: Listening to Cath, I feel like I could be hearing any doting grandma talk about meeting their grandchild for the first time. I have to remind myself just how unusual this situation was that Cath was walking into.
Chantelle has just given birth to the child of a man she had been nannying for, and was in fact still caring for his other child to another woman.
Deborah Fleischer wasn't around anymore. She'd packed up and left a short time after Simon returned from the UK, and was having relationships with all three women in that Floreat house.
She came back for Daniel in about 6 months. Then of course, Chantelle got pregnant. And Leela arrived.
Justine Smith was still in the house, Tony soon to move into the tent in the backyard.
And at the centre of this web, Simon Kadwill.
I really wanted to speak with these other women, but they've been really hard to find and at least one of them doesn't want to talk.
Arriving in the Floreat house in Perth, it wasn't just Cath's first time meeting Leela. It was also the first time she'd laid eyes on Simon.
Cath McDougall: He was very, very tall. Uh, always tidy um, quite well groomed
Dominique Bayens: What do you remember of that first meeting with him?
Cath McDougall: Oh boy, he's weird. That's all I can think.
Cause he asked me what planet I was from and, oh there's a better life there on the astro plane and all this sort of stuff.
And I was just really taken aback 'cause I thought, what are you talking about?
Dominique Bayens VO: Other than these bizarre grillings, Simon didn't have much to do with Cath. Just a 'hey, how's it going' as they passed in the kitchen.
Leela didn't capture much of his attention either.
Cath McDougall: He didn't seem to come in and pick her up or anything like that.
He'd just come in and sort of look at the baby and go 'hello' sort of thing to the baby and go off again.
Dominique Bayens VO: My heart breaks a little bit for Chantelle here. A young first-time mum, looking after Simon's other child at the same time, and Simon apparently disinterested in any of it.
It fits with what Dianne told me though. How Chantelle was told she could have Leela, but he wouldn't be helping. It would be all on her.
It's pretty brutal.
There's this other thing as well. I know I've spent a lot of time wondering about it. And Jim and Cath couldn't really make sense of it either.
Cath McDougall: Leela McDougall that was it.
Jim McDougall: Never took Simon's name on, just stayed with Chantelle's name. So there's no father's name on the birth certificate.
Dominique Bayens: Why was that?
Jim McDougall: That his way he was of being secretive, I guess, you know?
Dominique Bayens VO: Ten days later, Cath said goodbye and headed back to Victoria.
They'd talk regularly on the phone, And Cath would send over parcels filled with her home-made clothes.
Cath McDougall: She must have been one of the best dressed kids in the area.
Dominique Bayens VO: After four years, Leela had provided a link again to their daughter.
It felt like maybe there was a little more light through the door to Chantelle's life. Like maybe things might settle into some sort of normal.
Cath McDougall: She was talking to us more and telling us a few more things.
I felt like it was a bit more like a normal relationship, and, and family type situation. But yeah, little did we know it sort of wasn't.
Dominique Bayens VO: Because, just as Cath had reconnected with Chantelle she was about to be whisked even further away.
After speaking to Jim and Cath, I feel like I understand more how Chantelle came to be tied up with Simon.
I keep thinking of that analogy of tree roots that over years become so intertwined that it's almost impossible to pull them apart.
While I'm there Cath shows me the boxes of photos of Chantelle she's stored away, and as we sift through them there's this one of a brunette woman at a pub, holding a baby. Sitting next to her, wearing a party hat, is Leela McDougall.
It's got a caption scribbled on the back with a name; Tracy.
It's weeks later I manage to find who this 'Tracy' is. And what she tells me makes me second guess this whole picture I've been building of what happened.
I'm Dominique Bayens, host of Expanse: The Nannup Four.
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